[Ground-station] Defense Distributed case

[Stephen Hicks, N5AC]

These guys are down the road from me if you'd like me to buy them lunch and
see if I can get the case details (settlement).

For those that want to know more details on the case, this is the recent
article from WIRED.

https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/

I'm probably going to get on a list of I visit with them ;-)

Steve

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 14:02 Ground-Station
<ground-station at lists.openresearch.institute> wrote:

> I don't know the Defense Distributed folks and am the wrong person to talk
> with them, given my public record. I'm actually a pretty good shot on the
> range, but that's separate from policy issues.
>
> We would like to see the text of the settlement. It may be that this is
> sealed, in which case we would be interested in pursuing an FOIA, and we'd
> hardly be the only ones.
>
> A verdict is much better precedent than a settlement, which is probably *why
> *the government settled. However this is a settlement with the federal
> government rather than a private party, and thus is going to have some
> precedential value.
>
> I don't have other interesting cases on ITAR at the moment, you can be
> sure I'll bring them up as they happen.
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Bruce
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michelle Thompson <
> mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you for sharing this.
>>
>> The backstory for 3D printing controlled objects, the engineering
>> odyssey, the legal assumptions, and the culture war issues with the maker
>> scene can be read about (for anyone interested) in the book Come and Take
>> It by Cody Wilson. Cody founded Defense Distributed.
>>
>> As an avid 3d printer and heavily invested in communications that often
>> intersect with ITAR controlled areas, I've been following this case with
>> interest.
>>
>> The reinforcement of ORI's interpretation of the current legal landscape
>> would seem to be a very positive development.
>>
>> I get a lot of questions from people that have a lot of fear about
>> volunteering with us, or have been told they can't volunteer with us, or
>> shouldn't volunteer with us, or that our open source demonstrations are
>> somehow illegal. Fighting back against the parts that are total nonsense
>> takes a lot of time and energy. It's worth it, but it comes at a cost. That
>> cost is progress and participation in other much more enjoyable areas.
>>
>> Anything that helps enable volunteers to have fun, learn cutting edge
>> technology, and contribute in meaningful ways is what I'm here to establish
>> and maintain.
>>
>> Are there any other legal proceedings in this particular ecosystem
>> (ITAR/open source) in progress, that affect us, that you know of?
>>
>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ground-Station <
>> ground-station at lists.openresearch.institute> wrote:
>>
>>> The Defense Distributed case, in which the government attempted to
>>> assert ITAR upon a distributor of models for making firearms in a 3D
>>> printer, has settled. The government seems to have lost pretty thoroughly.
>>> http://joshblackman.com/blog/2018/07/10/doj-second-amendment-foundation-reach-settlement-in-defense-distributed-lawsuit/
>>>
>>> ORI position is:
>>> 1. We do not take a position on second amendment issues, it's
>>> out-of-scope for our organization.
>>> 2. The ITAR part of the case seems to be aligned with our previous
>>> interpretation of the issues of ITAR and Open Source, and our previously
>>> developed strategy. The case will probably work as a favorable precedent.
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>     Bruce
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering
>>> Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder,
>>> Open Source Initiative
>>> President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom
>>> Initiative.
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>
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