[Ground-station] Defense Distributed case

[Bruce Perens]

Steve, if you get on a list, and some agents swoop down in their black
helicopters, you just tell them "I KNOW BOB McGWIER!".

We'll never see you again.

Yeah, if you'd like to chum them up and ask about this, it would be really
cool.

    Thanks

    Bruce

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC <steve at flexradio.com>
wrote:

> These guys are down the road from me if you'd like me to buy them lunch
> and see if I can get the case details (settlement).
>
> For those that want to know more details on the case, this is the recent
> article from WIRED.
>
> https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-
> pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/
>
> I'm probably going to get on a list of I visit with them ;-)
>
> Steve
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 14:02 Ground-Station <ground-station at lists.openresearch.institute>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't know the Defense Distributed folks and am the wrong person to
>> talk with them, given my public record. I'm actually a pretty good shot on
>> the range, but that's separate from policy issues.
>>
>> We would like to see the text of the settlement. It may be that this is
>> sealed, in which case we would be interested in pursuing an FOIA, and we'd
>> hardly be the only ones.
>>
>> A verdict is much better precedent than a settlement, which is probably *why
>> *the government settled. However this is a settlement with the federal
>> government rather than a private party, and thus is going to have some
>> precedential value.
>>
>> I don't have other interesting cases on ITAR at the moment, you can be
>> sure I'll bring them up as they happen.
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Bruce
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michelle Thompson <
>> mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for sharing this.
>>>
>>> The backstory for 3D printing controlled objects, the engineering
>>> odyssey, the legal assumptions, and the culture war issues with the maker
>>> scene can be read about (for anyone interested) in the book Come and Take
>>> It by Cody Wilson. Cody founded Defense Distributed.
>>>
>>> As an avid 3d printer and heavily invested in communications that often
>>> intersect with ITAR controlled areas, I've been following this case with
>>> interest.
>>>
>>> The reinforcement of ORI's interpretation of the current legal landscape
>>> would seem to be a very positive development.
>>>
>>> I get a lot of questions from people that have a lot of fear about
>>> volunteering with us, or have been told they can't volunteer with us, or
>>> shouldn't volunteer with us, or that our open source demonstrations are
>>> somehow illegal. Fighting back against the parts that are total nonsense
>>> takes a lot of time and energy. It's worth it, but it comes at a cost. That
>>> cost is progress and participation in other much more enjoyable areas.
>>>
>>> Anything that helps enable volunteers to have fun, learn cutting edge
>>> technology, and contribute in meaningful ways is what I'm here to establish
>>> and maintain.
>>>
>>> Are there any other legal proceedings in this particular ecosystem
>>> (ITAR/open source) in progress, that affect us, that you know of?
>>>
>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ground-Station <ground-station at lists.
>>> openresearch.institute> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Defense Distributed case, in which the government attempted to
>>>> assert ITAR upon a distributor of models for making firearms in a 3D
>>>> printer, has settled. The government seems to have lost pretty thoroughly.
>>>> http://joshblackman.com/blog/2018/07/10/doj-second-amendment-
>>>> foundation-reach-settlement-in-defense-distributed-lawsuit/
>>>>
>>>> ORI position is:
>>>> 1. We do not take a position on second amendment issues, it's
>>>> out-of-scope for our organization.
>>>> 2. The ITAR part of the case seems to be aligned with our previous
>>>> interpretation of the issues of ITAR and Open Source, and our previously
>>>> developed strategy. The case will probably work as a favorable precedent.
>>>>
>>>>     Thanks
>>>>
>>>>     Bruce
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering
>>>> Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder,
>>>> Open Source Initiative
>>>> President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom
>>>> Initiative.
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Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering
Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder,
Open Source Initiative
President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom
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