<div><div dir="auto">These guys are down the road from me if you'd like me to buy them lunch and see if I can get the case details (settlement).</div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">For those that want to know more details on the case, this is the recent article from WIRED.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div><a href="https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/">https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pandoras-box-for-diy-guns/</a></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I'm probably going to get on a list of I visit with them ;-)</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Steve</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 14:02 Ground-Station <ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I don't know the Defense Distributed folks and am the wrong person to talk with them, given my public record. I'm actually a pretty good shot on the range, but that's separate from policy issues.<div><br><div>We would like to see the text of the settlement. It may be that this is sealed, in which case we would be interested in pursuing an FOIA, and we'd hardly be the only ones.<div><br></div><div>A verdict is much better precedent than a settlement, which is probably <i>why </i>the government settled. However this is a settlement with the federal government rather than a private party, and thus is going to have some precedential value.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't have other interesting cases on ITAR at the moment, you can be sure I'll bring them up as they happen.</div></div><div><br></div><div> Thanks</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michelle Thompson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mountain.michelle@gmail.com" target="_blank">mountain.michelle@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Thank you for sharing this.<br><br>The backstory for 3D printing controlled objects, the engineering odyssey, the legal assumptions, and the culture war issues with the maker scene can be read about (for anyone interested) in the book Come and Take It by Cody Wilson. Cody founded Defense Distributed. <br><br>As an avid 3d printer and heavily invested in communications that often intersect with ITAR controlled areas, I've been following this case with interest. <br><br>The reinforcement of ORI's interpretation of the current legal landscape would seem to be a very positive development. <br><br>I get a lot of questions from people that have a lot of fear about volunteering with us, or have been told they can't volunteer with us, or shouldn't volunteer with us, or that our open source demonstrations are somehow illegal. Fighting back against the parts that are total nonsense takes a lot of time and energy. It's worth it, but it comes at a cost. That cost is progress and participation in other much more enjoyable areas. <br><br>Anything that helps enable volunteers to have fun, learn cutting edge technology, and contribute in meaningful ways is what I'm here to establish and maintain. <br><br>Are there any other legal proceedings in this particular ecosystem (ITAR/open source) in progress, that affect us, that you know of? <br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-4612838087498630251m_-3361498486612350679gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">-Michelle W5NYV<br><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="m_-4612838087498630251h5">On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ground-Station <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute" target="_blank">ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="m_-4612838087498630251h5"><div dir="ltr">The Defense Distributed case, in which the government attempted to assert ITAR upon a distributor of models for making firearms in a 3D printer, has settled. The government seems to have lost pretty thoroughly. <a href="http://joshblackman.com/blog/2018/07/10/doj-second-amendment-foundation-reach-settlement-in-defense-distributed-lawsuit/" target="_blank">http://joshblackman.com/blog/2018/07/10/doj-second-amendment-foundation-reach-settlement-in-defense-distributed-lawsuit/</a><div><br></div><div>ORI position is:</div><div>1. We do not take a position on second amendment issues, it's out-of-scope for our organization.</div><div>2. The ITAR part of the case seems to be aligned with our previous interpretation of the issues of ITAR and Open Source, and our previously developed strategy. The case will probably work as a favorable precedent.</div><div><br></div><div> Thanks</div><div><br></div><div> Bruce<span class="m_-4612838087498630251m_-3361498486612350679HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="m_-4612838087498630251m_-3361498486612350679m_6543601275289761788gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr">Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering<br>Standards committee chair, license review committee member, co-founder, Open Source Initiative<div>President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom Initiative.<br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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