[Ground-station] Defense Distributed case

Stephen Hicks, N5AC steve at flexradio.com
Thu Jul 12 07:40:22 EDT 2018


OK sounds great -- I'm headed out of town for a week but will try to get in
touch with them after I return.

Steve

On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 10:52 PM, Bruce Perens <bruce at perens.com> wrote:

> Steve, if you get on a list, and some agents swoop down in their black
> helicopters, you just tell them "I KNOW BOB McGWIER!".
>
> We'll never see you again.
>
> Yeah, if you'd like to chum them up and ask about this, it would be really
> cool.
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Bruce
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 8:49 PM, Stephen Hicks, N5AC <steve at flexradio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> These guys are down the road from me if you'd like me to buy them lunch
>> and see if I can get the case details (settlement).
>>
>> For those that want to know more details on the case, this is the recent
>> article from WIRED.
>>
>> https://www.wired.com/story/a-landmark-legal-shift-opens-pan
>> doras-box-for-diy-guns/
>>
>> I'm probably going to get on a list of I visit with them ;-)
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 14:02 Ground-Station
>> <ground-station at lists.openresearch.institute> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't know the Defense Distributed folks and am the wrong person to
>>> talk with them, given my public record. I'm actually a pretty good shot on
>>> the range, but that's separate from policy issues.
>>>
>>> We would like to see the text of the settlement. It may be that this is
>>> sealed, in which case we would be interested in pursuing an FOIA, and we'd
>>> hardly be the only ones.
>>>
>>> A verdict is much better precedent than a settlement, which is probably *why
>>> *the government settled. However this is a settlement with the federal
>>> government rather than a private party, and thus is going to have some
>>> precedential value.
>>>
>>> I don't have other interesting cases on ITAR at the moment, you can be
>>> sure I'll bring them up as they happen.
>>>
>>>     Thanks
>>>
>>>     Bruce
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 11, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Michelle Thompson <
>>> mountain.michelle at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you for sharing this.
>>>>
>>>> The backstory for 3D printing controlled objects, the engineering
>>>> odyssey, the legal assumptions, and the culture war issues with the maker
>>>> scene can be read about (for anyone interested) in the book Come and Take
>>>> It by Cody Wilson. Cody founded Defense Distributed.
>>>>
>>>> As an avid 3d printer and heavily invested in communications that often
>>>> intersect with ITAR controlled areas, I've been following this case with
>>>> interest.
>>>>
>>>> The reinforcement of ORI's interpretation of the current legal
>>>> landscape would seem to be a very positive development.
>>>>
>>>> I get a lot of questions from people that have a lot of fear about
>>>> volunteering with us, or have been told they can't volunteer with us, or
>>>> shouldn't volunteer with us, or that our open source demonstrations are
>>>> somehow illegal. Fighting back against the parts that are total nonsense
>>>> takes a lot of time and energy. It's worth it, but it comes at a cost. That
>>>> cost is progress and participation in other much more enjoyable areas.
>>>>
>>>> Anything that helps enable volunteers to have fun, learn cutting edge
>>>> technology, and contribute in meaningful ways is what I'm here to establish
>>>> and maintain.
>>>>
>>>> Are there any other legal proceedings in this particular ecosystem
>>>> (ITAR/open source) in progress, that affect us, that you know of?
>>>>
>>>> -Michelle W5NYV
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 2:53 PM, Ground-Station <
>>>> ground-station at lists.openresearch.institute> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Defense Distributed case, in which the government attempted to
>>>>> assert ITAR upon a distributor of models for making firearms in a 3D
>>>>> printer, has settled. The government seems to have lost pretty thoroughly.
>>>>> http://joshblackman.com/blog/2018/07/10/doj-
>>>>> second-amendment-foundation-reach-settlement-in-defense-
>>>>> distributed-lawsuit/
>>>>>
>>>>> ORI position is:
>>>>> 1. We do not take a position on second amendment issues, it's
>>>>> out-of-scope for our organization.
>>>>> 2. The ITAR part of the case seems to be aligned with our previous
>>>>> interpretation of the issues of ITAR and Open Source, and our previously
>>>>> developed strategy. The case will probably work as a favorable precedent.
>>>>>
>>>>>     Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>     Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bruce Perens K6BP - CEO, Legal Engineering
>>>>> Standards committee chair, license review committee member,
>>>>> co-founder, Open Source Initiative
>>>>> President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom
>>>>> Initiative.
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> Open Source Initiative
> President, Open Research Institute; Board Member, Fashion Freedom
> Initiative.
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