<div dir="ltr">I suspect that some of these addresses were used by Brennan. You would have to write the current secretary to even understand the address.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:05 PM Martin Flynn via Ground-Station <ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Their last available 990 shows:  
      10605 Concord St, Ste 304, Kensington, MD 20895 , which is Secure
      Horizon Settlements </p>
    <p> </p>
    <div>712 H Street NE, Ste 1653, Washington DC 20002 is a maildrop /
      pack and ship store<br>
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    <div>On 4/20/2021 8:48 PM, Bruce Perens via
      Ground-Station wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Written objection, in a paper stamped letter must
        be received from at least 10% of the members within 30 days of
        the postmark, or they will go ahead. IMO, that's engineered to
        prevent any viable objection.
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        <div>The address on the top of the letter is</div>
        <div>Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)</div>
        <div>712 H Street NE, Ste 1653</div>
        <div>Washington DC 20002</div>
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        <div>I really wonder if anyone is at that address any longer.</div>
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        <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 5:42
          PM Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank">bruce@perens.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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          <div dir="ltr">IMO you can't claim to represent US Radio
            Amateurs regarding satellite issues if you are selective
            about who you represent. So, if this is enacted we should
            talk with ARRL, IARU (and maybe even ITU) about their no
            longer qualifying as a national organization.
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            <div>ARRL can expel a member for cause (in Articles of
              Association, not Bylaws), but it requires notice and an
              opportunity to be heard, and I am not aware that in a
              century of history anyone has involuntarily lost their
              ARRL membership for anything but not paying dues. In
              addition, ARRL claims to represent all US Amateurs, so
              they have to listen to non-members.</div>
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            <div>    Thanks</div>
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            <div>    Bruce</div>
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            <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at
              5:38 PM Michelle Thompson <<a href="mailto:mountain.michelle@gmail.com" target="_blank">mountain.michelle@gmail.com</a>>
              wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">Understood. ORI board is currently in
                session and I'll ask them to help write something on
                paper and find a stamp and send it to all the addresses
                listed. <br>
                <br>
                Here's some background. There was a bylaws committee.
                Ironically, I'm the one that made the motion to
                establish it. The committee was tasked with fixing
                the electronic voting "problem", in that the wording of
                the bylaws was kind of not great and needed to be
                modernized. <br>
                <br>
                Those bylaws revisions, from that committee, were
                accompanied by a nice report from Brennan Price (the
                secretary at the time) explaining the rules changes.
                Those bylaws are not the ones that appeared for a
                short-notice vote this past March. Those original bylaws
                revisions were skipped over. <br>
                <br>
                Instead, these "Don't Rock the Boat" rules, along with
                the 3 year membership requirement to run for the board,
                were substituted in the week prior. There was no
                accompanying explanation or writeup. <br>
                <br>
                There are no regular board meetings at AMSAT. They are
                only ad-hoc meetings like this.<br>
                <br>
                Choosing members is what this is about. There's no
                definition of "undesirable", there's no procedure here,
                and there's no hearing, or appeal, or any of the other
                mechanisms that exist in every other club or
                organization bylaws that I'm aware of. This is
                subjective as written. There's ways to write membership
                removal rules.<br>
                <br>
                The "3 year minimum membership to run for the board"
                rule works in here because once your membership is
                interrupted, then the clock starts over and you can't
                run for 3 more years. <br>
                <br>
                There isn't any reason to require a 3 year membership to
                run for the board. The vast majority of people that have
                run recently are life members or long-serving. Honestly,
                I think it would help the board to have recent members
                elected. <br>
                <br>
                I objected to these bylaws being substituted in instead
                of what I considered to be the authentic committee work.
                I pointed out that without standards/cause, a process,
                and an appeal that these rules were way too easily
                abused.<br>
                <br>
                In order to stop this, according to Patrick Stoddard,
                10% of the members would have to object in writing.
                Without a coordinated campaign and spending some money,
                I do not believe that enough members will clue in to
                this in time. <br>
                <br>
                I believe they'll "review" ORI's Member Society
                membership as soon as it comes up. It is really sad to
                see things like this happen, but it's not surprising
                given the other choices leadership has made since the
                Reno Symposium. <br>
                <br>
                We should object to these rules and be prepared to
                simply be eliminated as a Member Society. Currently,
                senior leadership refuses to even list us in the AMSAT
                Directory with the other Member Societies, has
                interfered with presentations at AMSAT Symposium, and
                has interfered with our news submissions to ANS
                Bulletin. I believe AMSAT should be holding up its end
                of the bargain as the major advocacy organization in
                amateur satellite, and actively helping us, supporting
                our work, and being fair and kind to our volunteers.
                Most of which happen to also be AMSAT members. This
                bylaws revision is not the right direction. <br>
                <br>
                We need to stay focused on publishing good work and
                helping projects in our space be successful. We offer no
                threat or harm to AMSAT. Our work directly benefits
                AMSAT in a wide variety of ways. In the future, things
                may improve. In the meantime, sending a paper letter
                objecting to the bylaws would be a positive step. <br>
                <br>
                Thank you for bringing this up, Bruce. If you have any
                specific advice on constructive wording and instructions
                on exactly what the "right" address is, to avoid any
                misdirected mail, then that might be helpful to those
                reading.  <br>
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                <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021
                  at 4:49 PM Bruce Perens via Ground-Station
                  <a href="mailto:ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute" target="_blank"><ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute></a>
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                  <div dir="ltr">ORI is an AMSAT member organization,
                    and I submit that ORI should file a written
                    objection to the proposed AMSAT "Don't Rock the
                    Boat" rule.
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                              the bylaws of AMSAT include a provision
                              for the secretary and the board members to
                              deny membership renewal to any member or
                              member society. This is included in
                              Article 1, Section 2. The new rule is:
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                              <div>Section 2. Applications for
                                membership or renewal as Member or
                                Member Society shall be submitted to and
                                in the manner prescribed by the
                                Secretary. <b>In the case of any
                                  applicant whose character, reputation,
                                  or conduct might make him or her an
                                  undesirable member, the Secretary
                                  shall refer the application to the
                                  Board of Directors (the "Board") for
                                  review; in all other cases, the
                                  Secretary shall have the authority to
                                  grant membership.</b></div>
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                              <div>Obviously, this is aimed at the folks
                                who dared to challenge the board (and
                                win) in a democratic election, and of
                                course me, for daring to campaign for
                                them. It is a fact that many non-profit
                                boards have never learned about the fact
                                that there <i>should</i> be contentious
                                elections - that's what democracy is
                                about. They just see them as a threat.
                                So, here's a rather undemocratic rule
                                which allows them to purge opposition,
                                so that they will not be able to vote in
                                the next election.</div>
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                              <div>Because the board doesn't want you to
                                interfere with their addition of this
                                rule, they have required that you
                                register any objection to this, and
                                other new rules, by writing a letter on
                                paper and mailing it with a stamp.
                                Objections you post to this list and the
                                AMSAT BBS are useful for discussion and
                                I encourage you to do so, but the board
                                will not count them.</div>
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                                Perens - Board Partner, OSS Capital LLC
                                Venture Capital</span><br>
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