<div dir="ltr">I suspect that some of these addresses were used by Brennan. You would have to write the current secretary to even understand the address.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 6:05 PM Martin Flynn via Ground-Station <ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Their last available 990 shows:
10605 Concord St, Ste 304, Kensington, MD 20895 , which is Secure
Horizon Settlements </p>
<p> </p>
<div>712 H Street NE, Ste 1653, Washington DC 20002 is a maildrop /
pack and ship store<br>
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<div>On 4/20/2021 8:48 PM, Bruce Perens via
Ground-Station wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Written objection, in a paper stamped letter must
be received from at least 10% of the members within 30 days of
the postmark, or they will go ahead. IMO, that's engineered to
prevent any viable objection.
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<div>The address on the top of the letter is</div>
<div>Radio Amateur Satellite Corporation (AMSAT)</div>
<div>712 H Street NE, Ste 1653</div>
<div>Washington DC 20002</div>
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<div>I really wonder if anyone is at that address any longer.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 5:42
PM Bruce Perens <<a href="mailto:bruce@perens.com" target="_blank">bruce@perens.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">IMO you can't claim to represent US Radio
Amateurs regarding satellite issues if you are selective
about who you represent. So, if this is enacted we should
talk with ARRL, IARU (and maybe even ITU) about their no
longer qualifying as a national organization.
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<div>ARRL can expel a member for cause (in Articles of
Association, not Bylaws), but it requires notice and an
opportunity to be heard, and I am not aware that in a
century of history anyone has involuntarily lost their
ARRL membership for anything but not paying dues. In
addition, ARRL claims to represent all US Amateurs, so
they have to listen to non-members.</div>
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<div> Thanks</div>
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<div> Bruce</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at
5:38 PM Michelle Thompson <<a href="mailto:mountain.michelle@gmail.com" target="_blank">mountain.michelle@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Understood. ORI board is currently in
session and I'll ask them to help write something on
paper and find a stamp and send it to all the addresses
listed. <br>
<br>
Here's some background. There was a bylaws committee.
Ironically, I'm the one that made the motion to
establish it. The committee was tasked with fixing
the electronic voting "problem", in that the wording of
the bylaws was kind of not great and needed to be
modernized. <br>
<br>
Those bylaws revisions, from that committee, were
accompanied by a nice report from Brennan Price (the
secretary at the time) explaining the rules changes.
Those bylaws are not the ones that appeared for a
short-notice vote this past March. Those original bylaws
revisions were skipped over. <br>
<br>
Instead, these "Don't Rock the Boat" rules, along with
the 3 year membership requirement to run for the board,
were substituted in the week prior. There was no
accompanying explanation or writeup. <br>
<br>
There are no regular board meetings at AMSAT. They are
only ad-hoc meetings like this.<br>
<br>
Choosing members is what this is about. There's no
definition of "undesirable", there's no procedure here,
and there's no hearing, or appeal, or any of the other
mechanisms that exist in every other club or
organization bylaws that I'm aware of. This is
subjective as written. There's ways to write membership
removal rules.<br>
<br>
The "3 year minimum membership to run for the board"
rule works in here because once your membership is
interrupted, then the clock starts over and you can't
run for 3 more years. <br>
<br>
There isn't any reason to require a 3 year membership to
run for the board. The vast majority of people that have
run recently are life members or long-serving. Honestly,
I think it would help the board to have recent members
elected. <br>
<br>
I objected to these bylaws being substituted in instead
of what I considered to be the authentic committee work.
I pointed out that without standards/cause, a process,
and an appeal that these rules were way too easily
abused.<br>
<br>
In order to stop this, according to Patrick Stoddard,
10% of the members would have to object in writing.
Without a coordinated campaign and spending some money,
I do not believe that enough members will clue in to
this in time. <br>
<br>
I believe they'll "review" ORI's Member Society
membership as soon as it comes up. It is really sad to
see things like this happen, but it's not surprising
given the other choices leadership has made since the
Reno Symposium. <br>
<br>
We should object to these rules and be prepared to
simply be eliminated as a Member Society. Currently,
senior leadership refuses to even list us in the AMSAT
Directory with the other Member Societies, has
interfered with presentations at AMSAT Symposium, and
has interfered with our news submissions to ANS
Bulletin. I believe AMSAT should be holding up its end
of the bargain as the major advocacy organization in
amateur satellite, and actively helping us, supporting
our work, and being fair and kind to our volunteers.
Most of which happen to also be AMSAT members. This
bylaws revision is not the right direction. <br>
<br>
We need to stay focused on publishing good work and
helping projects in our space be successful. We offer no
threat or harm to AMSAT. Our work directly benefits
AMSAT in a wide variety of ways. In the future, things
may improve. In the meantime, sending a paper letter
objecting to the bylaws would be a positive step. <br>
<br>
Thank you for bringing this up, Bruce. If you have any
specific advice on constructive wording and instructions
on exactly what the "right" address is, to avoid any
misdirected mail, then that might be helpful to those
reading. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 20, 2021
at 4:49 PM Bruce Perens via Ground-Station
<a href="mailto:ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute" target="_blank"><ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute></a>
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<div dir="ltr">ORI is an AMSAT member organization,
and I submit that ORI should file a written
objection to the proposed AMSAT "Don't Rock the
Boat" rule.
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<div dir="ltr">The proposed modifications to
the bylaws of AMSAT include a provision
for the secretary and the board members to
deny membership renewal to any member or
member society. This is included in
Article 1, Section 2. The new rule is:
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<div>Section 2. Applications for
membership or renewal as Member or
Member Society shall be submitted to and
in the manner prescribed by the
Secretary. <b>In the case of any
applicant whose character, reputation,
or conduct might make him or her an
undesirable member, the Secretary
shall refer the application to the
Board of Directors (the "Board") for
review; in all other cases, the
Secretary shall have the authority to
grant membership.</b></div>
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<div>Obviously, this is aimed at the folks
who dared to challenge the board (and
win) in a democratic election, and of
course me, for daring to campaign for
them. It is a fact that many non-profit
boards have never learned about the fact
that there <i>should</i> be contentious
elections - that's what democracy is
about. They just see them as a threat.
So, here's a rather undemocratic rule
which allows them to purge opposition,
so that they will not be able to vote in
the next election.</div>
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<div>Because the board doesn't want you to
interfere with their addition of this
rule, they have required that you
register any objection to this, and
other new rules, by writing a letter on
paper and mailing it with a stamp.
Objections you post to this list and the
AMSAT BBS are useful for discussion and
I encourage you to do so, but the board
will not count them.</div>
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Perens - Board Partner, OSS Capital LLC
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