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    <p>Okay. De-multiplexing is a much better and less confusing
      terminology. As you stated, decimation is a DSP thing and
      channelizing the downlink payload has nothing to do with DSP (all
      the DSP has already been down in order to deliver payload
      packets).<br>
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    <p>Ron W6RZ<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">To me, decimation is what we do in order to
        channelize in the payload. <br>
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        I don't think that's exactly what I'm being asked about in the
        ground station receiver, though. <br>
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            <p>I'm not sure we are talking about the same thing yet. So
              what exactly do you expect to decimate and why?<br>
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            <p>Ron W6RZ<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">The beginning of wisdom being the
                definition of terms and all, it would be good to make
                sure we're all talking about the same thing. <br>
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                So far, I've used LNBs and USRPs for receive, with the
                LNB doing an IF at 618MHz (LNB-on-a-Stick) and giving
                reasonable performance. <br>
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                Decimation to me is a DSP thing, or used to reduce power
                consumption when you don't need to sample as high as you
                can. <br>
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                  Jan 25, 2019 at 3:52 PM Ron Economos via
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                    <p>The standard IF for DVB-S2 receivers is 950 to
                      2150 MHz.</p>
                    <p>DB6NT was selling a down-converter from
                      10489-10500 MHz to 1129-1140 MHz for P4A.</p>
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                    <p>I'm not sure what decimation has to do with
                      receiving DVB-S2. The entire 10 MHz signal needs
                      to be demodulated. Individual baseband frames will
                      be selected for processing, but I call that
                      de-multiplexing.<br>
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                    <p>Ron W6RZ<br>
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                      1/25/19 15:32, David Vieira via Ground-Station
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                        <div>Michelle - Thanks for posting.  I'll frame
                          some of the questions.<br>
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                        <div>Typical 10 GHz terrestrial contesting rigs
                          are Heterodyne; that is a Mixer works with a
                          Local Oscillator (LO) to take the RF down to
                          an IF (Intermediate Frequency).</div>
                        <div>For an SDR, that IF can be digitized by an
                          Analog-Digital Converter.</div>
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                        <div>The most popular IF for contesting/SSB rigs
                          is 144 MHz.  </div>
                        <div>For a data BW of 10 MHz that may or may not
                          be a fast enough IF carrier.  If we can
                          digitize and recover the data, it would allow
                          a lot of re-use of existing equipment.</div>
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                        <div>I've heard suggestions/proposals up to the
                          1.2 GHz Ham band.</div>
                        <div>In some sense, the IF carrier could be
                          144/220/440/915/1200 MHz, or even any Non-Ham
                          frequency in between.</div>
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                        <div>There are a lot of proof of existence
                          designs for a 10 GHz Mixed down to an IF; and
                          lots of off the shelf ADC dev-boards.  (catch
                          me off thread for details).</div>
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                        <div>Some questions I have are:  </div>
                        <div>---from an FPGA side of the SDR, what data
                          rate(s) can the FPGA absorb in to a
                          decimator?  </div>
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                        <div>Must we decide upfront on a single
                          frequency; or </div>
                        <div>preferably allow flexibility in the RF
                          front end design (ie, Mixer, PLL and Local
                          Oscl hardware choices) by allowing a wide and
                          programmable variety of ADC and decimation
                          rates?</div>
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                        <div>{This is where RF and Digital folks must
                          communicate across walls.}  ;-)</div>
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                        <div>regards,</div>
                        <div>David</div>
                        <div>KI6CLA</div>
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                                <div dir="ltr">While we are striving to
                                  enable all sorts of wonderful designs
                                  by putting prototypes into GNU Radio,
                                  a central goal is to design our own
                                  hardware.<br>
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                                  We've had a lot of progress on the
                                  protocol and algorithm front (GSE,
                                  LDPC, some of the polyphase). <br>
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                                  Some fundamental decisions about our
                                  own hardware need to be made.<br>
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                                  When we receive, we expect to have to
                                  decimate. This is because we are
                                  receiving at a relatively high
                                  frequency (10GHz).<br>
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                                  Our bandwidth is (up to) 10MHz. For
                                  DVB-S2/X, we fix our sampling rate,
                                  depending on what bandwidth we want to
                                  support. We have a lot of freedom
                                  here.<br>
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                                  Picking the right frequencies for the
                                  receive chain is therefore important.<br>
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                                  What are our options? <br>
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                                  What options make the best sense?<br>
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                                  I'd like to build and test as soon as
                                  possible, so let's get some discussion
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