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<p>So if MO-76 has decayed........we're up to at least 5 'small'
things they can track.......</p>
<p>-Zach, KJ4QLP<br>
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Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/15/2018 7:36 PM, Ron Economos via
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<p>Just saw this on Twitter.</p>
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<p>Ron W6RZ<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 06/15/2018 04:23 PM, Zach Leffke
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1 43142U 18004AH 18166.15327463 .00002710 00000-0 11662-3 0 9999
2 43142 97.5349 228.9583 0011111 108.5240 251.7204 15.23458854 23400
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1 43141U 18004AG 18165.89385312 .00002518 00000-0 10875-3 0 9996
2 43141 97.5348 228.6883 0011116 109.0700 251.1741 15.23396885 23371
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1 43140U 18004AF 18165.89660685 .00002409 00000-0 10436-3 0 9996
2 43140 97.5347 228.6832 0011129 108.9142 251.3301 15.23343657 23378
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1 43139U 18004AE 18166.16700625 .00001921 00000-0 84210-4 0 9994
2 43139 97.5347 228.9332 0011117 107.4719 252.7733 15.23190279 23403</pre>
<p>TLE source: Celestrak.com, also on N2YO's webpage.<br>
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<p>Not trying to be argumentative here, truly am confused about
whats going on.....hoping someone in the know can school me.<br>
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<p>To me it appears they are reliably tracking all four
individually. Epochs updated yesterday/today (if I did the
Julian conversion right), and I've been loosely following this
and have never seen 'stale' updates. These TLEs (NORAD IDs)
were in the catalog very early in the post launch deployment
(within first two weeks for sure, I have a TLE matching
project based off Doppler curves, done for Fox-1D that was on
the same vehicle, and have the early TLEs saved off on github
and the individual spacebees are in there!). This implies
that they were quickly resolved in the sea of 30+ satellites
deployed in 300 seconds (or there about). <br>
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<p>Not saying they should have been launched without their
licensing in place, but clearly (to me, could be wrong here)
the original grounds for the FCC denial was flat out wrong,
like Howie said.<br>
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<p>So maybe their response would be "sure, we can track <i>four</i>....".
OK, well......what's your upper limit? A denial of 'sorry we
can only routinely track 20, and there are currently 20 up
there, so you have to wait for the technology to improve or
something to decay' would really suck, but at least it would
be clear.........<br>
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<p>My take on this issue is that if there is a minimum size
requirement (maybe orbital altitude is a factor as well here,
so maybe 'desired altitude + size requirement') from
FCC/JSpOC/NASA/Whoever, that is not clearly stated in any
application requirements, so how were they (or anyone else for
that matter) to know that would be an issue in the first
place. We have an interest in the ThinSat design at VT. We
are launching ThinSat derived designs on a suborbital sounding
rocket very soon (not an issue for orbit tracking, but that
program is supposed to be traceable to orbital spaceflight), I
know that a High School in Southwest VA is launching some very
soon (they got approval), though they will be VERY low
altitude (one - two week lifetime) and we have recently
started a possible collaboration with VMI who is intending to
launch some in the next year or so (haven't begun filing
process).........so what is the requirement?<br>
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<p>So what is the technical challenge here? I understand that
higher frequency radars (Ka band I think?) are needed to track
these smaller objects, and that there are fewer of those. But
the TLEs keep getting updated......so is this a question of
scheduling and because this is a hot topic they have bumped
them up in the priority queue? Is some piece of Iridium 33 /
COSMOS 2251 not being tracked to make room for these guys and
they are worried about over burdening the radars? Again,
understandable.......but they are not being clear and
consistent in the requirement, which just causes more
confusion......</p>
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<p>Again, not trying to defend the company who went against FCC
decisions, but the fundamental grounds for the denial is at
best incomplete, at worst, just straight up wrong......<br>
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<p>-Zach, KJ4QLP<br>
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Research Associate
Aerospace Systems Lab
Ted & Karyn Hume Center for National Security & Technology
Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University
Work Phone: 540-231-4174
Cell Phone: 540-808-6305</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/15/2018 6:21 PM, Bruce Perens
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<div dir="ltr">I will note that, but I suspect their answer is
going to be "sure, we can track <i>one".</i>
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The FCC statement about "Trackability" and that
Jspoc cannot routinely track objects smaller than
10cm is just not true. $50sat (aka Eagle2) was
launched in 2013 into a 700 km sun synchronous
orbit. The dimensions of that satellite were 5cm x
5cm x 7.5 cm and updates from Jspoc were routinely
published until the satellite re-entered a few weeks
ago. This is the satellite referred to in note 25 of
the NPRM, comment by Alba Orbital.</div>
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