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1 43142U 18004AH 18166.15327463 .00002710 00000-0 11662-3 0 9999
2 43142 97.5349 228.9583 0011111 108.5240 251.7204 15.23458854 23400
SPACEBEE-2
1 43141U 18004AG 18165.89385312 .00002518 00000-0 10875-3 0 9996
2 43141 97.5348 228.6883 0011116 109.0700 251.1741 15.23396885 23371
SPACEBEE-3
1 43140U 18004AF 18165.89660685 .00002409 00000-0 10436-3 0 9996
2 43140 97.5347 228.6832 0011129 108.9142 251.3301 15.23343657 23378
SPACEBEE-4
1 43139U 18004AE 18166.16700625 .00001921 00000-0 84210-4 0 9994
2 43139 97.5347 228.9332 0011117 107.4719 252.7733 15.23190279 23403</pre>
<p>TLE source: Celestrak.com, also on N2YO's webpage.<br>
</p>
<p>Not trying to be argumentative here, truly am confused about
whats going on.....hoping someone in the know can school me.<br>
</p>
<p>To me it appears they are reliably tracking all four
individually. Epochs updated yesterday/today (if I did the Julian
conversion right), and I've been loosely following this and have
never seen 'stale' updates. These TLEs (NORAD IDs) were in the
catalog very early in the post launch deployment (within first two
weeks for sure, I have a TLE matching project based off Doppler
curves, done for Fox-1D that was on the same vehicle, and have the
early TLEs saved off on github and the individual spacebees are in
there!). This implies that they were quickly resolved in the sea
of 30+ satellites deployed in 300 seconds (or there about). <br>
</p>
<p>Not saying they should have been launched without their licensing
in place, but clearly (to me, could be wrong here) the original
grounds for the FCC denial was flat out wrong, like Howie said.<br>
</p>
<p>So maybe their response would be "sure, we can track <i>four</i>....".
OK, well......what's your upper limit? A denial of 'sorry we can
only routinely track 20, and there are currently 20 up there, so
you have to wait for the technology to improve or something to
decay' would really suck, but at least it would be clear.........<br>
</p>
<p>My take on this issue is that if there is a minimum size
requirement (maybe orbital altitude is a factor as well here, so
maybe 'desired altitude + size requirement') from
FCC/JSpOC/NASA/Whoever, that is not clearly stated in any
application requirements, so how were they (or anyone else for
that matter) to know that would be an issue in the first place.
We have an interest in the ThinSat design at VT. We are launching
ThinSat derived designs on a suborbital sounding rocket very soon
(not an issue for orbit tracking, but that program is supposed to
be traceable to orbital spaceflight), I know that a High School in
Southwest VA is launching some very soon (they got approval),
though they will be VERY low altitude (one - two week lifetime)
and we have recently started a possible collaboration with VMI who
is intending to launch some in the next year or so (haven't begun
filing process).........so what is the requirement?<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>So what is the technical challenge here? I understand that
higher frequency radars (Ka band I think?) are needed to track
these smaller objects, and that there are fewer of those. But the
TLEs keep getting updated......so is this a question of scheduling
and because this is a hot topic they have bumped them up in the
priority queue? Is some piece of Iridium 33 / COSMOS 2251 not
being tracked to make room for these guys and they are worried
about over burdening the radars? Again, understandable.......but
they are not being clear and consistent in the requirement, which
just causes more confusion......</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Again, not trying to defend the company who went against FCC
decisions, but the fundamental grounds for the denial is at best
incomplete, at worst, just straight up wrong......<br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<p>-Zach, KJ4QLP<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/15/2018 6:21 PM, Bruce Perens via
Ground-Station wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I will note that, but I suspect their answer is
going to be "sure, we can track <i>one".</i>
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<div><i> </i>Thanks</div>
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<div> Bruce</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Howie
DeFelice <span dir="ltr"><<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">howied231@hotmail.com</a>></span>
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The FCC statement about "Trackability" and that Jspoc
cannot routinely track objects smaller than 10cm is just
not true. $50sat (aka Eagle2) was launched in 2013 into
a 700 km sun synchronous orbit. The dimensions of that
satellite were 5cm x 5cm x 7.5 cm and updates from Jspoc
were routinely published until the satellite re-entered
a few weeks ago. This is the satellite referred to in
note 25 of the NPRM, comment by Alba Orbital.</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 15, 2018 1:20 PM<br>
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href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.federalregister.gov%2Fdocuments%2F2018%2F05%2F24%2F2018-10943%2Fstreamlining-licensing-procedures-for-small-satellites&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf058b587db7d41bcfbe008d5d2e48724%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636646801311962375&sdata=7DZGLdDMhmsYMCnA5jCAh%2FH8DWnQM6STgH4F5EUJ3YA%3D&reserved=0"
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<div>The FCC's document: <a
href="https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftransition.fcc.gov%2FDaily_Releases%2FDaily_Business%2F2018%2Fdb0417%2FFCC-18-44A1.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf058b587db7d41bcfbe008d5d2e48724%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636646801311962375&sdata=540n1u7OPvsoGb%2FciS7kQgo%2BnTG2SU2hgyVRAbSqLx4%3D&reserved=0"
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<div dir="ltr">It says in the Federal Register
that we have until July 9 to submit our
comment in the small-satellite NPRM. I'm
starting to write now. Please send your
ideas my way.
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