I asked ARRL what their position was, through my director a few days ago. So far, they don't see a need to change the rules.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Tue, Apr 10, 2018, 10:41 PM Paul Williamson <<a href="mailto:paul@mustbeart.com">paul@mustbeart.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This summary fails to mention that there is a list of four exceptions to the pecuniary interest rule in Part 97.113(3). This suggests that the FCC could grant a further exception for satellite operators if it saw fit to do so, without running afoul of the ITU.<div><br></div><div><div>One of those exceptions was added in Docket 92-136, which also relaxed the rule prohibiting any "business" communication. My point is simply that rules can be changed, even rules we've come to view as immutable.</div></div><div><br></div><div> -Paul</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 5:22 PM, Bruce Perens via Ground-Station <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute" target="_blank">ground-station@lists.openresearch.institute</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><h1 class="m_288953632736640678m_3190698006169485423entry-title" style="box-sizing:inherit;font-size:1.625rem;margin:0px 0px 0.25em;clear:both;line-height:1.4;padding:0px;font-weight:300">Paid Ground-Station Control Operators and Amateur Sattelites</h1><div class="m_288953632736640678m_3190698006169485423entry-content" style="box-sizing:inherit;margin-left:auto;margin-right:auto;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Libre Franklin","Helvetica Neue",helvetica,arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px">Paid personnel are not allowed to be control operator or license grantee of Amateur Satellites. In the United States, this means that a paid employee of the sponsoring organization of the satellite, for example a professor at the university that has built the satellite, can not be a control operator or the license grantee.</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px">I recently corresponded with our IARU Divison 2 representatives regarding this issue. Thanks to Edson W. R. Pereira PY2SDR and Ray Soifer W2RS for this information:</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px">The issue regarding paid operators is due to the definition of the amateur radio service as defined by the ITU.</p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px">ARTICLE 1 Terms and definitions</p><ul style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px;list-style:disc"><li style="box-sizing:inherit">No. 1.56 amateur service: A radiocommunication service for the purpose of self-training, intercommunication and technical investigations carried out by amateurs, that is, by duly authorized persons interested in radio technique solely with a personal aim and without pecuniary interest.</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">No. 1.57 amateur-satellite service: A radiocommunication service using space stations on earth satellites for the same purposes as those of the amateur service.</li><li style="box-sizing:inherit">No. 1.96 amateur station: A station in the amateur service.</li></ul><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px">The same definition is used by the FCC: <a href="https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/amateur-radio-service" rel="noopener noreferrer" style="box-sizing:inherit;background-color:transparent;color:rgb(34,34,34);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">https://www.fcc.gov/wireless/bureau-divisions/mobility-division/amateur-radio-service</a></p><p style="box-sizing:inherit;margin:0px 0px 1.5em;padding:0px">The key point here is the term “pecuniary interest” — in otther words, “without financial compensation”. The definition is related to the *operation* of an amateur radio station, as you have stated in your message. Persons, including amateur radio operators, could be financially compensated to design and build amateur satellites, but according to the regulations, as they are presently written, the person cannot be compensated to operate the station.</p><div style="box-sizing:inherit"> If the station will operate under a US FCC amateur license, the control operator may not be an employee of the sponsoring organization, whether or not he is being directly compensated for operating the station. The license grantee is also deemed to be the operator of the space station operating under his license.</div><div style="box-sizing:inherit"></div><div style="box-sizing:inherit">For those reasons, FCC licenses most Cubesats as experimental, not amateur. Experimental licenses do permit operators to be compensated. However, experimental stations may not communicate with amateur stations.</div></div><br></div>
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