<div dir="ltr">Can do, looking forward.<br><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">-Michelle W5NYV<br><br><div dir="ltr"><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 10:14 AM Rosy Wolfe <<a href="mailto:rosy@ampr.org">rosy@ampr.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Would you be up for 30 mins at 2pm PT?<br>
<br>
Rosy Wolfe - KJ7RYV<br>
Executive Director<br>
Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)<br>
<a href="http://ampr.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ampr.org</a><br>
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On 5/12/21 10:12 AM, Michelle Thompson wrote:<br>
> How about today?<br>
> <br>
> I have noon Pacific to 4:30pm.<br>
> <br>
> -Michelle W5NYV<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> On Mon, May 3, 2021 at 12:50 PM Rosy Wolfe <<a href="mailto:rosy@ampr.org" target="_blank">rosy@ampr.org</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rosy@ampr.org" target="_blank">rosy@ampr.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Cool! Let's talk sometime soon. Please let me know when you have<br>
> availability.<br>
> <br>
> On my end, today is a bit nutty, I have availability, though,<br>
> Tues-Thurs<br>
> this week.<br>
> <br>
> Looking forward,<br>
> Rosy<br>
> <br>
> Rosy Wolfe - KJ7RYV<br>
> Executive Director<br>
> Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)<br>
> <a href="http://ampr.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ampr.org</a> <<a href="http://ampr.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ampr.org</a>><br>
> <br>
> On 5/3/21 8:56 AM, Michelle Thompson wrote:<br>
> > There's a lot going on with what you're asking for here.<br>
> ><br>
> > "I would love to have a more guided discussion with people in<br>
> > our community about the future of amateur radio and digital<br>
> > communications, so that ARDC can best strategize around meeting goals<br>
> > that meet a more collective vision. We've done some of that with our<br>
> > survey, but this would be a more selected group of major players<br>
> in the<br>
> > space.<br>
> ><br>
> > I would love it if you and/or others at ORI would be interested in<br>
> > participating in such a visioning session, and curious whether<br>
> you would<br>
> > be open to doing it online vs. in-person. (Consider it may be a<br>
> 5-hour<br>
> > event, or a couple 2-3 hour events.)"<br>
> ><br>
> > This needs a phone call to talk about.<br>
> ><br>
> > -Michelle W5NYV<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 6:29 PM Rosy Wolfe <<a href="mailto:rosy@ampr.org" target="_blank">rosy@ampr.org</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rosy@ampr.org" target="_blank">rosy@ampr.org</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:rosy@ampr.org" target="_blank">rosy@ampr.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rosy@ampr.org" target="_blank">rosy@ampr.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > Hi all,<br>
> ><br>
> > Michelle, thanks for including me on this mail. I agree with<br>
> many of<br>
> > the<br>
> > ideas that you've put forth - particularly that it's a TON of<br>
> work to<br>
> > put on a conference (much less one that happens multiple<br>
> times a year),<br>
> > that it would be helpful to gauge the interest of our<br>
> grantees before<br>
> > inviting them to such a thing, and that there could be a power<br>
> > differential at play for the grantees. Additionally, I think<br>
> we can<br>
> > consider using Zulip (an open source version of Slack) for<br>
> > communications with the community. There is already discussion of<br>
> > setting one up.<br>
> ><br>
> > re: Phil's email, ARDC is in the *really* early stages of<br>
> thinking<br>
> > about<br>
> > gatherings of any sort, given that we have a ways to go<br>
> before we are<br>
> > truly out of Pandemic Land (TM). One thing is we definitely<br>
> need to do<br>
> > an internal offsite. Additionally, and perhaps in conjunction<br>
> with the<br>
> > offsite, I would love to have a more guided discussion with<br>
> people in<br>
> > our community about the future of amateur radio and digital<br>
> > communications, so that ARDC can best strategize around<br>
> meeting goals<br>
> > that meet a more collective vision. We've done some of that<br>
> with our<br>
> > survey, but this would be a more selected group of major<br>
> players in the<br>
> > space.<br>
> ><br>
> > I would love it if you and/or others at ORI would be<br>
> interested in<br>
> > participating in such a visioning session, and curious<br>
> whether you<br>
> > would<br>
> > be open to doing it online vs. in-person. (Consider it may be<br>
> a 5-hour<br>
> > event, or a couple 2-3 hour events.)<br>
> ><br>
> > In terms of a networking event like the one Phil is<br>
> describing, I could<br>
> > see doing something like that in conjunction with an existing<br>
> > conference, such as TAPR DCC or similar. I've organized<br>
> similar events<br>
> > when I was in the open source mapping world, holding Maptime<br>
> gatherings<br>
> > and karaoke along with State of the Map, for example. PS -<br>
> one of my<br>
> > favorite things is to get a bunch of nerds together for<br>
> karaoke. You've<br>
> > all been warned! And for when it happens - you're welcome ;)<br>
> ><br>
> > In any case, as this mail indicates, we have some thinking (and<br>
> > hiring!)<br>
> > to do before putting together any events. In the meantime,<br>
> please do<br>
> > let<br>
> > me know if you'd have interest in participating in a<br>
> visioning session,<br>
> > online or IRL. Your insight there would be, as always, greatly<br>
> > appreciated.<br>
> ><br>
> > All the best and 73,<br>
> > Rosy<br>
> ><br>
> > Rosy Wolfe - KJ7RYV<br>
> > Executive Director<br>
> > Amateur Radio Digital Communications (ARDC)<br>
> > <a href="http://ampr.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">ampr.org</a> <<a href="http://ampr.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ampr.org</a>> <<a href="http://ampr.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ampr.org</a> <<a href="http://ampr.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://ampr.org</a>>><br>
> ><br>
> > On 4/26/21 1:51 PM, Michelle Thompson wrote:<br>
> > > Phil,<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I agree that putting grantees in contact with each other<br>
> is a great<br>
> > > idea, but I think that there are ways to do this which are<br>
> much more<br>
> > > frictionless than a conference.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Conferences are generally organized around a shared topic, and<br>
> > > networking is a secondary effect. It sounds like you want<br>
> > networking to<br>
> > > be the primary reason that people attend, and this leaves me<br>
> > wondering<br>
> > > what the common interest is in presentations. What is the<br>
> > > motivation/reward for people putting work into presentations?<br>
> > What is<br>
> > > the likely outcome?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > There's a similar ecosystem we can look to for guidance<br>
> here on<br>
> > > networking, and that's the venture capital (VC) community. VCs<br>
> > like Y<br>
> > > Combinator (and others) have set up mailing lists and<br>
> forums (using<br>
> > > discord, slack, and other tools) to allow free networking<br>
> between<br>
> > their<br>
> > > 'alumni'. This is a much lower barrier for participation,<br>
> and allows<br>
> > > information exchange outside of a formal process (conferences)<br>
> > that not<br>
> > > everyone will have the time or inclination to participate in.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Putting on a conference is a lot of work, as is answering the<br>
> > questions<br>
> > > in your email. I don't have time to address those for<br>
> ARDC. You<br>
> > should<br>
> > > look to your own board members, who collectively have much<br>
> more<br>
> > > experience than I do.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I'd suggest gauging interest among your grantees before<br>
> planning any<br>
> > > conferences. It's their interest that will make a successful<br>
> > > conference. Since the power differential between ARDC and<br>
> grant<br>
> > > recipients is so large, any request from ARDC will probably be<br>
> > > interpreted as a requirement, and that will complicate the<br>
> > answers. That<br>
> > > is one reason why VC firms do the things they do, in terms<br>
> of alumni<br>
> > > support.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > -Michelle W5NYV<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 1:18 AM Phil Karn <<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a>><br>
> > <mailto:<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a>>><br>
> > > <mailto:<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a>><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:karn@ka9q.net" target="_blank">karn@ka9q.net</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Hi Michelle, we haven't chatted in quite some time.<br>
> How are you?<br>
> > ><br>
> > > At recent ARDC board meetings I've been talking up the<br>
> idea of a<br>
> > > periodic conference to which all our grantees would be<br>
> > invited. This<br>
> > > would not only help bring the ARDC Board and Grant<br>
> Advisory<br>
> > Committees<br>
> > > up to speed on what they've been doing, but let ARDC<br>
> grantees<br>
> > meet each<br>
> > > other. I personally think this is very important given our<br>
> > focus on a<br>
> > > diverse set of projects and groups.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I will strongly insist on not overloading the schedule<br>
> with<br>
> > too much<br>
> > > formal time. I have always thought that ad-hoc dinners and<br>
> > late nights<br>
> > > in hotel bars are often the most productive parts of any<br>
> > technical<br>
> > > conference. You can always watch a video of a talk or<br>
> read a<br>
> > formal<br>
> > > paper at home whenever you want, and ask questions by<br>
> email.<br>
> > I want<br>
> > > people to come to do the things that are best done in<br>
> person.<br>
> > After a<br>
> > > whole year on Zoom I think we now have a better idea<br>
> of what<br>
> > those<br>
> > > things are.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > There's solid support on the Board for this idea, but it's<br>
> > still at a<br>
> > > VERY early stage of discussion. We have no idea where<br>
> or even<br>
> > when we<br>
> > > could hold such an event given Covid. (The first would<br>
> > probably be in<br>
> > > the US but we'd definitely want to hold some<br>
> elsewhere, probably<br>
> > > starting in Europe.) But since ORI is one of ARDC's<br>
> biggest<br>
> > grantees<br>
> > > (and you have a lot of personal experience in organizing<br>
> > conferences)<br>
> > > I'd like your opinions.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > How how big a block of time would ORI need to give<br>
> *capsule*<br>
> > overviews<br>
> > > of all its various projects? Note the emphasis on<br>
> "capsule".<br>
> > My thinking<br>
> > > here is to present in the general style of an article<br>
> for QST,<br>
> > > Communications of the ACM or IEEE Spectrum, i.e., assume a<br>
> > general<br>
> > > technical background in computers, space, electrical<br>
> > engineering and/or<br>
> > > radio communications but NOT specialist knowledge in a<br>
> particular<br>
> > > subfield, e.g., speech compression or digital satellite<br>
> > communications.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I also don't think we'd have time for detailed formal<br>
> > tutorials. The<br>
> > > talks should focus on YOUR work -- the specific problem<br>
> > you're trying to<br>
> > > solve, what approaches you took, what you've done so far,<br>
> > work yet to be<br>
> > > done, etc. What worked? More importantly, what did NOT<br>
> work,<br>
> > technically<br>
> > > or organizationally? Again, focus on what YOU have done or<br>
> > plan to do,<br>
> > > as opposed to general overviews of a field. (Do<br>
> provide links to<br>
> > > overviews, tutorials, deep technical details, etc, for<br>
> those<br>
> > > interested.)<br>
> > ><br>
> > > How many speakers from ORI would be involved? How many<br>
> more<br>
> > would come<br>
> > > who wouldn't give formal presentations but could<br>
> benefit from<br>
> > attending?<br>
> > > I'm thinking mainly of younger volunteers (especially<br>
> > students) without<br>
> > > a lot of experience who could be motivated by an in-person<br>
> > event like<br>
> > > this. ARDC could probably be persuaded to provide<br>
> financial<br>
> > assistance<br>
> > > for travel as needed. As you know, ARDC's very first grant<br>
> > was for<br>
> > > travel scholarships to the 2019 ARRL/TAPR DCC in<br>
> Detroit that<br>
> > brought<br>
> > > some students with the HamSci project from Case Western.<br>
> > Having talked<br>
> > > with many of them, I think it was money very well<br>
> spent. (I'd<br>
> > forgotten<br>
> > > how much energy I had at that age.)<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Please forward this to anybody you know who could also<br>
> > provide some<br>
> > > advice here.<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > --Phil<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> ><br>
> <br>
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